honda0105

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 8:39:32 PM
Higramma: GM DID develop H2-Vs, but, they were used solely in municipal fleets.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 8:38:45 PM
Too bad too many people on this board whine about "need energy independence" yet they're so badly myopic they can't figure out that going away from oil for driving is the best thing we can do to get even in the ballpark to consider such a thing as energy "independence."
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bigreddwg

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 2:31:20 AM
can't wait to get one these and do away with smelly cars. these cars will produce no odors and only water from its exhaust and we all need more water. however, they need to get that price down really LOW!!!
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HiGramma

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:45:40 AM
In the 1990s Discover Science Magazine (not sure if it was/is affiliated with Discover Television) published an article on GM's attempts to design hydrogen cars. Never heard a thing more about where development went. The article talked about fuel stability and the risk of explosion driving design of the vehicle body, which led to a decision to design a frame that would be interchangeable with a great variety of body styles. Wish I knew if they ran out of money before fuel safety developed to the point of being practical, or what other reason they had to abandon it or fall behind.
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NOTSOGRN

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:23:47 AM
Will it tickle down to an Econobox?
LINK to how they think they can under sell Toyoda.(Yes Toyoda)
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2010/03/2010-geneva-auto-show-hyundai-unveils-its-tucsonix35-hydrogen-fuel-cell-ev.html
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250FORD

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:15:43 AM
I'd like to see then take a trip across the country in that car. I wonder how far they get when they realize they can't fill up again.
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bbreff

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:13:20 AM
Where is it going to be sold?
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genef01

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:09:15 AM
Looks like the illegitimate off-spring of the Pontiac Aztec. Don’t know where hydrogen stations are commonplace, but there are none in middle Tennessee.
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vulcan96

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:04:54 AM
$50,000 is way to much for a car.
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DosEquis26

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:59:54 PM
50o vehicles- a drop in the bucket.
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divebomber

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Nebraska
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:59:46 PM
This is my no#1 selection:)
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Vette1967

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Albany
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:56:08 PM
Nice car....would love to take it for a test drive.
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BigATX

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Fort Worth
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:55:52 PM
The price is comparable to a full sized double cab pickup with the deluxe package.
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scrounger

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Vancouver
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:52:12 PM
have to beat it by a HUGE amount to make it worthwhile for me
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TBONE3

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:46:37 PM
Also costly. Anything happening with Diesel?
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DJRIO

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Miami
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:45:31 PM
so when is hydrogen station being put in place
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speedys

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Utah
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:45:18 PM
They are still out of the price range of the average person.
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TheSicilian

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Jacksonville
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:33:12 PM
how unaffordable can you get
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Focus2

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:26:28 PM
Wow! $50,000 is a lot of money to put on a credit card.
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aldog365

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:25:48 PM
To rich for me.I'll stay with used cars under 1996.
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WIPACKERFAN

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:24:41 PM
Rush to get to market. How safe will it be?
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us4usa

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:23:45 PM
$50k is a lot of cash...
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Z51Corvette

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Austin
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:19:51 PM
Wouldn't own a HYUNDAI... sorry! I couldn't care less... this technology will take years to shake out. I'll wait till the water is clearer on this.
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rxman1

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:16:55 PM
Not everyone sells E85 either.
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Bonito

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:14:52 PM
LETS ROCK --- To bad US car makers can't see the light!
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CobraLeader

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:12:38 PM
Whooppy Wow!
I'm still not spending $40,000+ for a car
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tedjm1

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New York
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:10:07 PM
This is a cal to arms. And not only for Toyota & Honda. U.S. manufacturers should look out their front windows to see what is happening, else more will be given up to Asian manufactureres.
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NotmeuQc

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:07:40 PM
Same as yesterday's post. To expensive for normal folk
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JohnofGB

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Flint
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:07:15 PM
Any hydrogens filling stations around here yet? They are putting the cart before the horse.
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Quick68

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:06:53 PM
I will stay with gas.
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:06:37 PM
The next few years should be interesting, with all the alternative fuel vehicles being introduced to the public.
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bababooey2

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:05:56 PM
With no infrastructure to support the operation of these cars, someone needs to get there butt in gear.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:04:02 PM
hope they can make it..
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DrCashFlow

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:58:20 PM
total spin control.
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lovemymac

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Kansas City
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:57:06 PM
I still dont see why we dont use Solar power and hybrid. Small compact cars could be fully electric with a generator on board. Bigger cars would have to have something more but it could be done. The EV1 was a great car and here we are more then 15 years later and no one has come up with anything better? Give me a break.
We need something that is already in mass abundance. Hydrogen is no where to be found. I just cant understand why we are still using the same combustible engine with some mods that the car started with 100 years ago
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TRAIN RIDER

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San Bernardino
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:55:06 PM
HOW MUCH WILL THEY COST? AND WHERE WILL YOU BE ABLE TO BUY FUEL?
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signwiz

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:52:23 PM
Absolutely nowhere around here to fill up with hydrogen.
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:52:19 PM
It's time for Dr. Chu to get off his butt at DOE and start promoting cheap methods to generate hydrogen, our one unlimited source of renewable energy.
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Chris46

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:50:55 PM
Who's got $50K to throw around?
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MINER

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:50:07 PM
I dont believe I've ever seen a refueling place for that stuff yet.. Cant believe they are that plentyful now...
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planetmail

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:40:05 PM
Hydrogen fuelled vehicles are superior to electric vehicles imo.
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MRED3

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Jacksonville
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:38:38 PM
It`s all going to fast.
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dirt girl

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:37:16 PM
Are there any refueling stations in the u.s.?
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:32:44 PM
too expensive needs tax incentives makes more sense than repaving roads that don't need it
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bell05

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:23:29 PM
Betsy3266, you got that right.
Sometimes the one that takes the first step comes out on top and sometimes not.
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Betsy3266

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:21:40 PM
I would drive one, but if I visit my parents in the rural South I am afraid it would be a one-way trip. Where would I fuel up to get back home?
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nimpy

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:15:43 PM
awfully expensive
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DEG

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:13:49 PM
$50,000 is still way out of the question for me.
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must87searcher

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:11:37 PM
In a market like today, any automaker, using the right procedures can take a step forward. Hyundai seems to be knowing what to do to move forward.
There is question on what will happen in the future.
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RENEGADEGAS

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 10:09:45 PM
yeh....whatever.
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